Founding Moments

Sell It Before It Exists - A Chat with Renato Villanueva


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Renato Villanueva went from struggling to land a job out of UVU to helping build Divvy into a billion-dollar exit — then quit his job on a whim to start Parallel, an AI-powered financial modeling tool for founders. In this episode, Renato gets brutally honest about pre-selling a product that didn't exist, pricing mistakes that cost them 30% of their customers, and why he ultimately stepped down as CEO of his own company.

Key Moments:

[00:53] — Renato's unlikely career path: from cold-emailing Signal Peak for free work to landing at Divvy and riding it to acquisition.

[03:49] — How he raised $200K the same night he quit his job — and why fundraising is exactly like dating.

[08:00] — Selling Gab Wireless an annual contract before a single line of product existed.

[10:40] — The pre-selling trap: why saying yes to every customer feature request nearly broke the company.

[11:17] — Churning 30% of customers in early 2025 and what they learned from it.

[15:13] — The real way to figure out pricing: guess, iterate, and treat every "no" as data.

[17:12] — Why pricing is a treasure chest of ICP intelligence — and the mistake of ignoring what it tells you.

[22:39] — Why Renato stepped down as CEO, and how his investors actually responded.

[25:45] — His current obsession: the gap between hyper-personalized AI and the reality that most people are just lazy.

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Founding MomentsBy Nate Tingey