Arizona Senator Wendy Rogers joins Jeff for a wide-ranging discussion on the budget showdown at the Arizona Legislature and the growing political battles shaping the state’s future.

Senator Rogers breaks down the chaotic budget situation at the Capitol, what went wrong, and why lawmakers continue struggling to find agreement. The conversation also dives into Arizona’s crowded ballot initiative landscape, including whether the high-profile ESA/school choice initiative can actually survive the signature and voter gauntlet.

Jeff and Senator Rogers also discuss a recent meeting with the City of Flagstaff and Mayor Becky Daggett focused on Northern Arizona water concerns, including:

The episode wraps with a discussion on rural housing challenges and whether rural tax credits and LIHTC-style incentives are truly conservative solutions — or just another form of government-driven development policy.

Politics, water, housing, and Arizona’s uncertain future — all in one episode.