The tables have turned.

Sergio Claudio, Head of School at ONE School, an online portfolio school for Black creatives, joins Elias on the show; but unlike most episodes, Sergio flips the podcast on Elias, asking him things like why it's important to pay attention to community, how to find the right thing to double down on, and the value of saying no.

• (1:19) Sergio’s origin story
• (3:35) The Drift <> Sergio connection
• (6:14) Elias comes to Boston
• (7:56) Getting stuck in the code
• (10:48) Sergio’s creative career
• (16:13) Can you really learn business at school?
• (20:07) Learn with Intent
• (25:21) Time is valuable, prioritize accordingly
• (27:40) Why Elias prioritizes giving back
• (31:48) Commit to standing out (rather than trying to fit in)
• (37:18) Saying no is a superpower
• (40:41) One School
• (43:45) Finding your "thing"
• (46:48) Sergio’s call-to-action