On this episode of Off the Clock, I’m joined by my best friend Jason who also happens to be my muse, my co-creator in so many endeavors, my confidant, and someone who makes me laugh probably harder than anyone else. Here’s some of what we talk about:

First Question: When we say “we take our whimsy seriously” what does that mean?

• why it frequently looks like we’re doing an ad for gay marriage by the way we hang out and why that’s a great way of sniffing out liberal poseurs
• our shared annoyance about this current culture of snitches and hall monitors
• Jason works with kids for a living. what gives him hope for the future? what worries him most?
• why we’re – as the movie The Menu helpfully articulates – shit shovelers in the grand scheme of things and ultimately members of the service industry
• how does Jason re-fill his cup during a difficult year of kids?
• what keeps us coming back to local punk shows again and again and again? and why don’t we hang out with many of these people in real life?
• what it’s like running into his students in the wild
• I ask Jason to spin the roulette wheel of memories and grab a random one of us (fun! do this with your friends!)
• we remember some guys! and the old internet!
• we discuss the weird Elliott / E.T. connection we seem to have 
• why did Jason buy me business cards for my birthday?
• who are some grown men who make each other mix CDs with liner notes? THESE GUYS!
• why people tend to hate or resent their own art and why that’s what makes it good
• where should we go on vacation together next?

Theme song by Sorry Sweetheart.

Logo by Nebulus Visions.

Produced by Deft Communications.

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Recorded at Jason’s house.