He calls himself a husband and a dad before any other titles, meet James Martin Okumu. A senior pastor at Destiny Chapel, a Radio & TV producer and presenter at  Family Radio 316.

James is an intentional parent, focused on men's ministry with a purpose to see them "man up". This conversation is insightful, funny, impactful and provoking.. 

We delve into choice, in parenting, ministry, service and growth.