In this episode of the We Love Life Podcast, Daniel Parks and Brian Ottinger sit down with Pastor Jon Benzinger of Redeemer Bible Church in Gilbert, Arizona for a powerful and honest conversation on biblical leadership.

Pastor Jon shares his personal testimony, the long and often hidden road that led him into pastoral ministry, and how God turned a nearly dying church into a thriving movement reaching thousands locally and globally. More importantly, he unpacks what Jesus teaches about leadership in Matthew 20—that true greatness in the Kingdom is found in serving, not being served.

Whether you’re a pastor, ministry leader, volunteer, or simply someone seeking to lead well in your home, church, or workplace, this conversation will challenge and encourage you.

Listen in and be reminded: leadership in the Kingdom of God is upside down, and that’s exactly where the power is.

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