In this episode, we sit down with Chris Pope (aka The Pope), VP of Innovation at ServiceNow, to discuss all things DevOps and related. He shares with us the history of our platform and some of the amazing things we do with it as well as coining a new term for Hybrid Agile – “Tragile” (tragic agile) – when things don’t go as well as they should and his thoughts on why that is the case. 

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