Welcome to the first GovCon Unscripted episode of the year, and a special Success After Service conversation. Chelsea Roberts sits down with Luke Shabro to unpack what it really looks like to continue serving after leaving the uniform behind.

This episode explores the realities of defense innovation, why good ideas stall inside government systems, and how empathy, persistence, and understanding mission priorities still matter in GovCon.

Luke shares what he’s learned navigating the space between warfighters, innovators, and industry, and what contractors often misunderstand about how government actually works.

Timestamps:

[00:00] Introduction to GovCon Unscripted and Success After Service

[06:30] Serving after the uniform comes off

[18:45] Why innovation struggles inside defense systems

[21:00] Understanding the problem before the solution

[35:00] Empathy as a differentiator in GovCon

[38:00] Being persistent without becoming noise

[45:30] Final reflections on service, innovation, and reality

Resources:

• Luke Shabro

• Chelsea Roberts

• Wayfinder Strategies Website

• Stability Policing - Future

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