In this episode we talk with Rhiannon Hamam of 5-4, "a podcast about how much the Supreme Court sucks." Rhiannon will gives us a broad overview of how the conservative legal project has shaped abortion law, talks about the concept behind "laws aren't real," and hosts an AMA on all things SCOTUS-related.

She is a former public defender and a co-host of the "5-4" podcast, about the US Supreme Court and the conservative legal movement. She is an organizer with the Palestinian Youth Movement. Currently, she works with law students in an experiential learning setting.