Actress and impresario Ruby McCollister and I discuss Camille Paglia’s Sexual Personae—the resurrection of the work post-Trump, Paglia’s thrilling/exhausting prose styling, the fundamental immorality and amorality of art, and the inherent tackiness of sexuality.

Also discussed: Ruby’s theory on how JFK started the culture war (with his hotness), safe spaces at Vogue, being an emotional slut, the NYC real estate that perverted Francesca’s lifestyle expectations, how Gen X ruined the world (and the grace due boomers), Howard Stern and the end of the shock jock era, whether large tubes of Aquafor are chic, and how sometimes in a room everyone has been inside Francesca.