This week Tony sits down to talk about what really matters with Shannon Ochoa. We spend a good part of the episode talking about waterfalls and how they symbolize the beauty and choas of life. Then we move on to discuss Shannon's life, faith, work, and good books. There were a number of times that Tony found himself lost in the sheer sound of Shannon's voice as she talked about her life and relationship with Jesus. ALSO! Father Parrish is back!

Check out Shannon's work at Eden Invitation

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We talk about the follow books, people, or things.

We also have great new music for our show from Joe Garofalo. You can find his site over at

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