"Yeah. I think it's absolutely true. I think there are also really interesting things that happen with adults when it comes to playing of, why don't we? What's in the way of that? Is also really interesting to me too, when all those things that you're seeing are true, right? If it's as needed in our lives, why aren't we doing it? What is it? I think, from what I've found in facilitation, what holds people back from ... We think of play, I think, when we think of, as facilitators often we'll think of the icebreaker or the stoke activity or something like that. But I find it to be so much more about ingraining it into all of it. And it's more of a mindset for play or a posture for play, I'll often say too, and what gets in the way of that for people." -Shannon Varcoe

In this episode of Control the Room, I had the pleasure of speaking with Shannon Varcoe about her experience building a career as a designer and facilitator focused on injecting more play into our work. She shares how her diverse background in theater and engineering has informed her work. Later, Shannon addresses some uncomfortable moments in facilitation like reflections, silence, play, and debriefing. We then discuss correctness, momentum, and collaboration. Listen in for interesting thoughts on the future of teamwork.