Host Wynn Smiley welcomes Dave Rodriguez, longtime pastor, leadership coach, and architect of Alpha Tau Omega’s Men of Destiny program. Recognizing the challenges facing boys and young men, they explore how ATO’s heritage and its “eternal and immutable principles” uniquely position the fraternity to foster identity, purpose, and growth.

Rodriguez explains how Men of Destiny began, created to help undergraduate men wrestle with core questions such as why they are here and what their purpose is. Through workshops and conferences, he has guided thousands of ATO members in discovering their personal calling. Many have experienced gratitude, deep reflection, and even transformative emotion. He shares stories of students whose sense of purpose shifted from material success to legacy-driven motivations, including one inspired by his grandmother’s sacrifice and another who wanted his work as an architect to help create loving homes like the one he grew up in.

Smiley and Rodriguez highlight what makes Men of Destiny different from other development programs, noting its rare impact on men of every age. Rodriguez says that even corporate leaders, athletes, and retirees respond with the same appreciation and introspection when they discover their calling, which he describes as the oldest and most essential part of themselves.

They also discuss ATO’s Encounter program, designed for members who want to explore faith regardless of background. Rodriguez affirms the value of addressing spirituality as part of whole-person development, noting that Encounter focuses on identity and relationship with God in a welcoming, experiential setting. Smiley observes that even those with little church experience find Encounter authentic and free of pressure.

Rodriguez describes the power of reframing biblical themes, such as the prodigal son, in ways that emphasize acceptance rather than shame. Many attendees find this deeply relieving and hopeful. He notes that fraternity life plays a significant role in shaping identity, especially at a time when questions about masculinity and self-worth feel more urgent than ever.

Looking ahead, Rodriguez hopes ATO will continue guiding young men beyond college, helping them build purpose, leadership, and transformation. Smiley agrees, noting that ATO’s creed and ritual are more relevant than ever for young men seeking meaning. The episode closes with Rodriguez’s gratitude for being welcomed into the ATO brotherhood and his continued commitment to helping members grow in understanding, love, and respect.