And can you talk about a time when anxiety kind of felt overwhelming and or when you felt like there wasn't an escape out of it? I mean, you've been through so much that.

I would definitely say my highest anxiety would be right after having kids, two kids, and having to work full time and trying to balance spending time with my family.

I was in an executive level sales job and traveled three days a week. And Sarah's dad is an attorney and worked in Chicago. And so we did not have much time during the week. We had a nanny and just the guilt and the anxiety around not being really with my kids five days a week because I was so busy working. And so was your dad.So it was really difficult to balance that. And then would come the weekends when we'd be crazy trying to spend time with you kids. And the daunting task of knowing we had to go back to work on Monday and run the whole five days again. And then it just makes you wonder what life's all about. And it was just kind of a lot to handle. And the anxiety really kind of got me down during that time frame.

Yeah. And now technology and everything, everyone's moving online so they can enjoy more time with their kids and spend more of their life with their children. And I feel like that's a really beautiful thing.

hat's one of the benefits of COVID, right? Because we were not allowed to work at home back then. And I was in a sales job. And so it wouldn't have worked anyway.

Well, I guess maybe it could have now that I think about it. But no one was working at home then. It was just not a thing. So it was long hours being gone 12 hours a day and commuting and traveling. And so it was just difficult to manage that family work balance.

Yeah.

And it's actually quite a different era of the pandemic under culture.

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