Shay is the CMO of ActiveCampaign. We chat about:

(3:19) - What a CMO Actually Does

(8:42) - Using Design as a Mechanism to Solve Problems

(16:35) - Design, Marketing, Product... Which is Most Important?

(18:29) - ActiveCampaign's Moat

(23:11) - What People Don't Understand About AI in Marketing

(30:50) - Future of Email Marketing

(40:55) - Favorite Quote & Most Polarizing Belief