In this reflective conversation, Shelly and Joanne continue to explore grief, dissociation, and healing through the lens of awareness and consciousness. Joanne shares what it’s been like to slowly recognize long-standing family dynamics, multi-generational trauma, and the cost of not seeing herself clearly for most of her life.  Shelly does not reveal her intense trauma experiences, as still in the throes of, but that makes her able to understand the depths of what Joanne has faith she is able to share and spare others..  

They discuss dissociative episodes, estrangement, and the uncomfortable truths that are often avoided — even by those working in Psychology.  Butts in the seats prevail.  Rather than offering quick solutions, this episode focuses on understanding, self-recognition, and the slow, deliberate pursuit of joy after everything familiar has to be stripped away…for self to heal.