On this episode of Off the Clock, I’m joined by my friend Shepard, who was a guest on the old show, and who called me out of the blue for the first time in years a few weeks ago. Here’s some of what we talk about:

First Question: How did you expect me to react when you called me?

the importance of production design in movies

the Fight Club concept of “single serving friends” as a metaphor for podcasting and how if we’re not helping each other, then what’s the point?

how did Shepard start producing independent films (it involves Cuba!) and how does he make time for whimsy and creative pursuits

“interested is interesting” returns to the show as a concept (shoutout Nate Lundy) with talk about Quentin Tarantino, Roger Ebert, Roland Barthes, the Colorado Avalanche & more

a shoutout to Band Name Bureau by Kyle Ryan and sharing your compliments with creators

we spend some time talking about Governor Jared Polis and how most Colorado politicians are “high in content” which is an interesting way of putting it

Shepard turns the tables on me and starts asking me questions

how have I intentionally curated my career?

we reminisce about These Things Matter and I get into my origin story for the first time in a while

why I’m a better entrepreneur than I am a salaried employee (spoiler: I’m a pain in the ass)

“are you the type of person who plans 5 or 10 years ahead, or are you the person who focuses on the work and people immediately around you?” I LOVE this question

how do I manage my time? weirdly, I don’t have a good answer for this even though I’m pretty effective at it!

Theme song by Sorry Sweetheart

Logo by Nebulus Visions.

Produced by Deft Communications.

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Recorded at the Denver Museum of Nature & Science.