President Trump sends out a tweet instructing all American business to stop trading with China. If they did, it would break the global trading system overnight. Meanwhile countries like New Zealand need more friends and more trade deals, not less. But what kind of trade deals are best?

Economists Cameron Bagrie and Bill Rosenberg from Council of Trade Unions, as well as Export NZ CEO Catherine Beard, join Josie Pagani for this episode.

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