Shit happens, to everyone. In fact, neither of us know anybody who isn't struggling with something right now. Including us! Lisa shares how she was able to find connection and laughter in a year of intense loss, and Kari discusses the value of ride-or-die friends, laughter & music as a caregiver to her son's unpredictable medical journey. Join our tender, blunt, compassionate, and humorous conversation about the ways we have chosen to navigate the hard moments, and what helps us not "live there."