While Stuart is away, Jed takes the opportunity to interview his old friend and former university president, Mike Nietzel. Mike talks about a book he just finished by author and economics professor Phillip Levine (A Problem of Fit). Mike gives his own thoughts about whether the government should pay for people to go to college (yes, they should double Pell grant payouts, but no, they shouldn't forgive student loans in a way that disproportionally benefits more wealthy graduates). Listen in to a man who has seen many aspects of higher education!