*At 18:28, we incorrectly identify Anya Parampil as a Venezuelan journalist with Telesur. She is an American journalist, and works for The Grayzone. We apologize for the error.*

In this week's episode of System Update, host Glenn Greenwald explores a debate that has been dividing the left in recent weeks: how should leftists engage right-wing populists?

Glenn talks to Nathan J. Robinson, Editor at Current Affairs, and Krystal Ball, co-host of The Hill TV’s Rising, two people who have been arguing from different sides of this discussion.

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Chapters:

00:00 Intro

00:10 Glenn's Monologue

28:56 Interview with Nathan J. Robinson

1:20:27 Interview with Krystal Ball