The SENIA Happy Hour Podcast

Show #102 The Harm We Don’t See


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In this episode of the SENIA Happy Hour, Lori Boll sits down with Matthew Savage, architect of The Mona Lisa Effect®, to explore what true belonging looks like in schools. Together they discuss the barriers, both visible and invisible, that exclude students, the hidden exhaustion of camouflaging, and why schools are only as inclusive as the experience of their least included member. This honest and inspiring conversation challenges us to rethink inclusion and reminds us that every learner deserves to be seen, heard, known, and to belong.


Connect:

  • Mona Lisa Effect® Website

  • LinkedIn

  • Martian in the Playground

  • Pretending to Be Normal

Note: Both of these books reference the term “Asperger’s Syndrome,” which is no longer in use. Current language reflects our growing understanding of autism and neurodivergence.

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