Welcome back to Analyze Scripts, where a psychiatrist and a therapist analyze what Hollywood gets right and wrong about mental health. Today, we wrap up our analysis of season 1 of "Shrinking" on AppleTV+. We are THRILLED this show has been renewed for a second season! In this episode, we chat about various character arcs, including the cliffhanger at the end. We also share a tender friendship moment and demonstrate how to sit with big, vulnerable feelings. Much like "Shrinking," this episode is full of tears and laughter! We hope you enjoy!

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[00:17] Dr. Katrina Furey: Welcome back to another episode of Analyze Scripts. This is Dr. Katrina Fury, a psychiatrist, and I'm joined, as always, by my friend colleague Portia Pendleton, a licensed clinical social worker. And today we are going to dive into the last four episodes of the first season of the show on Apple TV, plus shrinking. So this is episode seven to ten. And fun fact, we actually just watched episode ten together, so that was kind of fun.

[00:45] Portia Pendleton: I cried in front of you.

[00:47] Dr. Katrina Furey: That's okay. I cried at home when I watched it the first time. And then I watched you cry as you watch. So it was really interesting. I thought about, like, is this what content is? Like, should I be filming you cry? And then we put that we probably.

[01:03] Portia Pendleton: Should have, only the setting was a little awkward because I can't figure out how to put Apple TV on my living room TV. So we watched it from a bedroom.

[01:13] Dr. Katrina Furey: I'm really cool with.

[01:15] Portia Pendleton: I don't know if I'd want to put that out in the ether.

[01:19] Dr. Katrina Furey: This show is about crossing boundaries.

[01:26] Portia Pendleton: Funny.

[01:26] Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, my gosh. So there's a lot to talk about. We pick up where, turns out Gabby and what's his name?

[01:34] Portia Pendleton: Jimmy.

[01:35] Dr. Katrina Furey: Jimmy. They went all the way.

[01:36] Portia Pendleton: They did.

[01:37] Dr. Katrina Furey: They went to fourth base. Fourth base. Home run. They sure did. Out of the park. And then a lot has transpired. Yes, a lot.

[01:51] Portia Pendleton: I feel like every single person in the show had emotional growth.

[01:56] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yes.

[01:56] Portia Pendleton: In many ways.

[01:57] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, they totally did. Yeah.

[01:59] Portia Pendleton: So we see the aftermath of the party. Jimmy's on his apology tour. He's apologizing to everyone. He has to apologize to Brian, but Brian's like, I'm not sorry.

[02:08] Dr. Katrina Furey: We're engaged. Yeah.

[02:11] Portia Pendleton: He apologizes and has a conversation with Gabby where Gabby's like, it's fine.

[02:15] Dr. Katrina Furey: I don't regret it.

[02:15] Portia Pendleton: And then Jimmy's like, I do, and.

[02:17] Dr. Katrina Furey: You'Re like, I know, but then Gabby's like, you're safe, ****. And then that sort of comes up over and over. And spoiler alert, turns out he's not. At the very end, when they're all gathered at Brian's wedding, and he's giving this really moving speech, which I thought was actually really touching. You see Gabby kind of having the feels, and I think Liz, like, pops over her shoulder and is like, I hear your ****** humming.

[02:42] Portia Pendleton: She's like, It is not safe, ****.

[02:43] Dr. Katrina Furey: It's not safe, ****. So we'll see what happens in season two since it got renewed. Yes.

[02:49] Portia Pendleton: Very excited.

[02:49] Dr. Katrina Furey: Very excited.

[02:50] Portia Pendleton: So I don't even know who to focus on first. Maybe we should just focus on Jimmy, like, his curve. So he seems like he kind of just falls apart at the party. Right. He's reminded constantly by Tia.

[03:05] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, I know.

[03:06] Portia Pendleton: It feels like he has gone up since then, so that would make sense. I wrote down a couple of things that I was still a little bit, like, annoyed with, with his patience. Like, I feel like in those episodes, or in his sessions after the party, like, he's still, like, over sharing. And I'm like, Wally.

[03:25] Dr. Katrina Furey: But then I was so glad when she called him out and said something. I didn't write down the exact sentence she used, but she was like, you're making it about you. Or she called it out that he has a tendency to do this. I think he knew that, but it helped that being brought to his attention. And also I noticed that one of the writers of the show is named Wally. Oh, wow. Okay. I know wally, if you want to come on the podcast yeah, I was going to say holler at us, but we don't say that anymore.

[03:53] Portia Pendleton: Just like DM us.

[03:54] Dr. Katrina Furey: DM us.

[03:56] Portia Pendleton: That's more cool.

[03:58] Dr. Katrina Furey: Okay.

[03:58] Portia Pendleton: So, yeah, I think Wally's the OCD patient. Yeah. So I thought it was funny. I wrote down, like, her eyes are closed in the session. She won't look at him because of the kiss. Like, she's really embarrassed.

[04:10] Dr. Katrina Furey: At least she came.

[04:11] Portia Pendleton: Yeah, that was a big step. And he's kind of, like, trying to make her feel better by over sharing. Like, he shares a way that he is embarrassed, and again, that helps her, but I'm like, stop doing that.

[04:24] Dr. Katrina Furey: And then eventually again, I didn't write down exactly what she said, but she basically draws it to his attention. Like, dude, you're over sharing too much. Good for you.

[04:32] Portia Pendleton: Yes. So we also see Jimmy and Paul and Brian in the episode track down Alice at the college. I'm kind of, like, rescue her from this college boy. So Jimmy, through these last couple of episodes, is becoming stepping back into his parent role.

[04:54] Dr. Katrina Furey: Thank God. Finally. Thank God.

[04:57] Portia Pendleton: It sounds like you're finding that attractive.

[05:01] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, I know. I was telling Portia by the end, I was, like, really attracted to Jimmy, maybe.

[05:05] Portia Pendleton: And in the beginning you were not. No, I didn't.

[05:07] Dr. Katrina Furey: Like because he's, like, being a parent now.

[05:11] Portia Pendleton: You're fulfilling your role in your duties. You're stepping up. And again, we know why. That he had kind of a breakdown and wasn't able to be there and still right.

[05:24] Dr. Katrina Furey: There's no exceptions. I'm a very harsh judge when it.

[05:29] Portia Pendleton: Comes to this, to parenting. We want what's best for the kids.

[05:33] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. And we were so worried about Alice and is she going to rebel? Is she not? And she kind of did. I love they're like, no, not a guy in a vest. But I felt like she did enough maybe to finally get his attention, which sometimes teens act out, right? All teens act out right. Like, to push buttons and stuff. But I felt like she did it enough to get his attention, not so much for this show to take a different turn.

[06:02] Portia Pendleton: And I feel like it was within her character. Like, I don't see her as a big risk taker. I don't see her.

[06:10] Dr. Katrina Furey: But yeah, I.

[06:11] Portia Pendleton: Just feel like she's very risky.

[06:12] Dr. Katrina Furey: She told a friend. She told a friend where she was going. I loved when they barged in on that what did they call it? The garden party.

[06:23] Portia Pendleton: Party I've ever seen in my life.

[06:25] Dr. Katrina Furey: But they're all their food. Oh, my God, it's so funny. But I loved how it was so similar to drinks under the bridge, and Paul had said something like, oh, so and so is really good at coming.

[06:34] Portia Pendleton: Up with the name Summer.

[06:35] Dr. Katrina Furey: Summer. But then when Paul's leaving and he tells so and so, like, stop trying to get with your English. Yes.

[06:42] Portia Pendleton: And everyone's like, what?

[06:43] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. I thought it was just so funny.

[06:45] Portia Pendleton: That these are the parties, right? I'm expecting to raise your house party. Or again, like a garden party where you're in a garden, but everyone's trash and there's balls everywhere. And I was just like, all these.

[06:55] Dr. Katrina Furey: People are just like, you're drinking like.

[06:56] Portia Pendleton: An insultzer and you're smoking marijuana and you're on your phone, like, not playing music. I mean, hey, this is a relatively speaking safe party, so that's great.

[07:08] Dr. Katrina Furey: I will fingers crossed that's the party my kids go to someday. That's the extent of it. But I thought that was just, like.

[07:15] Portia Pendleton: A funny little I don't know, it made me laugh.

[07:19] Dr. Katrina Furey: Are we millennials? Yeah. I am Millennials. You are older than you are. You not? No, we both are.

[07:24] Portia Pendleton: Yeah. We're in the middle.

[07:26] Dr. Katrina Furey: We're in the middle. Okay. And then whoever wrote the show maybe is a millennial or older, I'm assuming. I feel like it was, like, a funny commentary on that generation.

[07:36] Portia Pendleton: Gen Z.

[07:37] Dr. Katrina Furey: Is Gen Z the young one. Okay.

[07:39] Portia Pendleton: I think they got a lot, right?

[07:40] Dr. Katrina Furey: Like Alice's Style.

[07:42] Portia Pendleton: I just think it was funny.

[07:44] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, but even the party, I feel like they're just like, oh, the kids are on their phones now. Maybe they are. I don't know. So I don't know. I thought that was pretty funny.

[07:52] Portia Pendleton: I liked when the college guy opens the door and he's like, alice, your two dads and grandpa here.

[08:01] Dr. Katrina Furey: I love that.

[08:02] Portia Pendleton: And then so mortifying. And then Paul is, like, saying we as they're walking in, and Brian's like, don't. We're not peers. Stop comparing me to you.

[08:10] Dr. Katrina Furey: I loved it. And I love that they had to use Brian's car because Alice took his car and Paul can't drive, and that they make Brian sit in the back.

[08:18] Portia Pendleton: Yeah. He's like, I think this is about my self esteem.

[08:20] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, but all these details are so perfect. I just loved it. And I love how Harrison Ford, I guess we'll call him, paul is so protective of Alice, and even then, when she's so mad that they were there, you could tell she appreciates. And that is so true of teenagers, Toddlers. All children appreciate when their parents set boundaries. And then I love that he finally grounded her. Although it looks like maybe the sentence didn't last long. I don't know. I guess she wasn't really like, going out and about. But he did ground her. And even though she was mad, that's, like, the appropriate step. Yeah.

[08:55] Portia Pendleton: And I think in that moment, it was a little bit I could see a parent having a hard time setting that boundary, because, again, I feel like Alice at the time, and that's the reason you set boundaries, is a really good kid.

[09:08] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right.

[09:09] Portia Pendleton: I don't think she would maybe do.

[09:11] Dr. Katrina Furey: That again, but you still have to set the limit.

[09:14] Portia Pendleton: Setting the limit. And initially, she's really mad and upset, and she still says, mom wouldn't do this. And he's like she would exactly.

[09:21] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I thought that was so powerful.

[09:23] Portia Pendleton: And then she says, I ******* hate you.

[09:26] Dr. Katrina Furey: And he goes, I ******* love you. And I started crying. I cried a lot in these episodes. I was like, whoa.

[09:35] Portia Pendleton: It was like, I'm crying. My eyes are watering. A tear falls. And then the next scene, there's a comedic relief, and it's from Liz or Gabby.

[09:46] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah.

[09:46] Portia Pendleton: And that was a really I think the balance was really nice.

[09:50] Dr. Katrina Furey: I know we kept saying as we again watched episode ten together, and I kind of watched you watch episode Ten, which was like a fascinating anthropological adventure. Do you have no, I sketched you. No. I was like, I want to work with them. I want to be friends with my neighbors. Like this.

[10:09] Portia Pendleton: I know.

[10:10] Dr. Katrina Furey: Put rocks in that thing, make it.

[10:12] Portia Pendleton: Really smooth and give it to someone.

[10:15] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. I don't know. I'm so glad this show is coming back.

[10:20] Portia Pendleton: So, like, Jimmy is on this arc. He's stepping up as a parent. He's being such a good dad. He is having tough conversations with Alice. He's having tough conversations with himself.

[10:28] Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, my God. But we have to talk about them sitting her down to tell her that they have I love when she's like, alice has never called me Auntie Gabby. Like, do you want to make this worse? It's just so funny. I have to say again, this is like a comedy. We want it all to end up fine. But I was like, I don't know if Alice will get over that easily.

[10:49] Portia Pendleton: Yeah.

[10:49] Dr. Katrina Furey: I don't know. I feel like they kind of blew through it.

[10:52] Portia Pendleton: Do you think it's like a little bit of almost like a stereotypical? Like, a therapist as a parent, psychiatrist as a parent, like thing to do, sitting her down and talking about it? I feel like another parent would just be like, yeah, this is really uncomfortable.

[11:07] Dr. Katrina Furey: We're not going to talk about or, like, avoided.

[11:09] Portia Pendleton: Right. And the therapist parents are like, let's.

[11:12] Dr. Katrina Furey: Talk about it a lot. Yeah.

[11:15] Portia Pendleton: There's got to be a medium. There's got to be a middle ground.

[11:18] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, I have no comment on that. Okay.

[11:23] Portia Pendleton: I'll ask you a couple of years.

[11:30] Dr. Katrina Furey: I think Jimmy was talking about how he's, like, starting to slip up at work to Paul, and it's like, starting, like, you know, he's been sort of acting silly and he was like, yeah, I told the patient to like, ********** for, you know, anxiety relief instead of meditate. And Paul was like, well, they both work. I feel like their banter is so funny. I just love it.

[11:50] Portia Pendleton: I mean, I know we say this every time, but I really, really give like 100 out of 100 stars to the writing. They get things, the smallest details, so right.

[12:02] Dr. Katrina Furey: How'd you do it? I don't know.

[12:04] Portia Pendleton: I could never come up with that. This is not my strong suit. The things that they think about because.

[12:11] Dr. Katrina Furey: We want them to someday call us to consult. This is our strong suit.

[12:14] Portia Pendleton: Let me rephrase that.

[12:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: We are so witty and we're mental health experts, so give us a call, guys. I know exactly what you mean, though. I don't know how to do it. Yeah, because the writing is so funny. Like that tongue in cheek, the part how it makes you cry and laugh sometimes at the same time. So you don't know which way should my mouth be happy or sad? But then also the mental health layers that are pretty accurate. I'm just like how'd you do it.

[12:43] Portia Pendleton: Totally how'd you do it. I 100% agree. And I do feel like it's worth kind of bringing up and laughing at. So when Brian, Paul and Jimmy are again rescuing Alice from the college guys dorm, I love that Brian interjects and he's like, Well, I'm a lawyer and.

[12:59] Dr. Katrina Furey: Did you know that she's twelve? I know. She's like, I'm not twelve.

[13:04] Portia Pendleton: Because she is underage, by the way.

[13:07] Dr. Katrina Furey: But I just think it's like they.

[13:08] Portia Pendleton: Are just so funny in that way. They're all playing this role. And I was like, oh, I want that.

[13:13] Dr. Katrina Furey: I know. I want them to be my dad's and cranky grandpa. And Alice is probably like, I'm so glad she has them now. He's getting better. Yeah. I wish he'd go to his own therapy. Maybe season two writers.

[13:30] Portia Pendleton: That would be good.

[13:31] Dr. Katrina Furey: I like that idea.

[13:32] Portia Pendleton: If it's in there, I'm going to say that they stole credit.

[13:35] Dr. Katrina Furey: We could sue. Yeah. Oh, my God. What did you think about Gabby at Nico's art show and Liz with the laser pointer? I just feel like, again, that's such.

[13:48] Portia Pendleton: A small detail that I know.

[13:51] Dr. Katrina Furey: Of course it has a laser pointer.

[13:53] Portia Pendleton: And she uses it because, again, she's overbearing and judgy. She likes to be involved with things per her.

[13:59] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I was like, of course you.

[14:00] Portia Pendleton: Carry one and you're pointing it at people in public.

[14:04] Dr. Katrina Furey: You could shop for that. And she's a white woman pointing it at black women for a long half time. I'm really surprised they didn't notice. I know.

[14:16] Portia Pendleton: I feel like I didn't know what to I was like, really? And I feel like sick.

[14:21] Dr. Katrina Furey: Do you think that was intentional? Sort of like that commentary on white privilege and stuff?

[14:26] Portia Pendleton: And I think to an extent. Like, Liz very much so owns it. Even the white guilt catering.

[14:33] Dr. Katrina Furey: Oh, my God. I know. Please call it that. I know. And then when Gabby was like, are you worried later? Are you worried it's going to be like Sandra bullockIn? Oh, God, I love the show so much. I do have to say I love seeing Liz and Gabby's like, evolution as friends and stuff. What do you think about that?

[14:53] Portia Pendleton: I think their friendship is beautiful. I noted that when they're at the art show. I loved how Gabby and it's obviously, like, silly, but it's also serious. Gabby is not happy with how Liz is responding to something, and she tells her, like, in the moment, it's not awkward. She's directive. It's not three months later after you're holding a grudge. She's just like, I really need you to do this for me tonight and not do this. And then Liz says it.

[15:22] Dr. Katrina Furey: And then later on, Liz can say that to her husband. Remember when she's sitting down with Sean, which is, like, one of my favorite scenes of all time. And I love just them getting closer. And I also love their age difference. And it kind of reminded me of us, even though I don't think which one do you think I am? Which one do you think I think you are.

[15:38] Portia Pendleton: First of all, for our listeners, the age difference is very small.

[15:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: Like, four years.

[15:43] Portia Pendleton: Yeah, it's not a lot, but okay.

[15:48] Dr. Katrina Furey: I thought I was Gabby.

[15:50] Portia Pendleton: I want to be Liz.

[15:52] Dr. Katrina Furey: I was Liz. I'm like older.

[15:54] Portia Pendleton: I just like Liz. I like them both, but I feel like I am a Liz. I would like to be a Liz.

[16:01] Dr. Katrina Furey: Really?

[16:03] Portia Pendleton: I want to be a fun neighbor. I want to be, like, a fun, alter, middle aged woman. I want to be fashionable. I want to be self care.

[16:11] Dr. Katrina Furey: White cardigan, and it's always white ironed.

[16:16] Portia Pendleton: I want to buy an $8,000 toilet that has a heated seat.

[16:19] Dr. Katrina Furey: I know I thought of myself more as Liz because I'm older, and I thought of you as Gabby because I feel like you wear, like, cool clothes and you're like, hip and.

[16:34] Portia Pendleton: Either one. I like them both. I'm happy.

[16:37] Dr. Katrina Furey: I loved near the end as Liz is, like, giving out rocks to people. There's this theme of the little funny, shiny rocks. What did you think of that? How that keeps carrying over? I thought that it was such, like.

[16:52] Portia Pendleton: A little tiny detail that had such a big storyline. It's not like there was a lot of time spent on it, but you see it throughout all the episodes and then you learn all this meaning associated with it. I was laughing at we find out that two of her three sons, she has given Rock and Alice, and that's it.

[17:14] Dr. Katrina Furey: And then she gives one to Gabby. But only after Gabby officially confides that she has, in fact, slept with Jimmy. And they kind of talk about it. I loved Gabby being like it's like Mariah Carey. Yes. Well, in honor of that portia, I do have a small gift for you to celebrate our friendship, our partnership. And we've reached 5000 downloads and it is a tiny rock. Wow. It's beautiful.

[17:43] Portia Pendleton: It's very smooth. I'm going to try to describe it to you listening out there. It is like a dark deep purple, which I love purple. It is smooth. The bottom is kind of circular. The top is a little bit pointy.

[17:58] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. Wow. It's kind of like a fingernail.

[18:02] Portia Pendleton: Fingernail?

[18:03] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. I've been carrying it in my pocket all day. Wow. Just waiting for this moment. I did find it outside of a grocery store parking lot on my way here. But that's to symbolize how I feel about you as Liz feels toward the people she cares about.

[18:20] Portia Pendleton: That's beautiful and very touching.

[18:23] Dr. Katrina Furey: And it might be a little dirty.

[18:25] Portia Pendleton: I might tear and I don't know why that is. Maybe it's from oh, are you really going to yes.

[18:34] Dr. Katrina Furey: No, I didn't really care about you.

[18:39] Portia Pendleton: I don't like being vulnerable guys.

[18:41] Dr. Katrina Furey: So I think it's because I watch.

[18:42] Portia Pendleton: Drinking and not because of this moment.

[18:45] Dr. Katrina Furey: Not it's not. I know we hate real feelings, just as Liz says. You remember? I know. Oh, maybe someday we'll have merch of little rocks. Yeah. Porsche, do you want to take a break? No. Okay. We'll just maybe cut out.

[19:01] Portia Pendleton: Now this current part that I'm talking about during commercial.

[19:06] Dr. Katrina Furey: Now a word from our sponsors. Listeners, it's really important to learn how to sit with your big feelings. So right now we're going to show you how it's done. Ready? Sit.

[19:21] Portia Pendleton: Okay, that's enough.

[19:25] Dr. Katrina Furey: Sometimes we think we're so funny and I'm just curious if it translates. Yeah, if it's just us.

[19:32] Portia Pendleton: I think it does.

[19:33] Dr. Katrina Furey: Well, I actually don't know because the.

[19:35] Portia Pendleton: Person who thinks it's also funny is my mom. So I think she's a little biased.

[19:40] Dr. Katrina Furey: So anyway, send us a DM. Let us know what you think.

[19:42] Portia Pendleton: Yeah.

[19:43] Dr. Katrina Furey: Okay. So let's see.

[19:45] Portia Pendleton: We were talking about Jimmy's Arc. So let's kind of dive into Gabby. So we see her she has sexual relations with Jimmy and his safe ****. We see her and Liz's budding relationship. We see her kind of wanting to pursue this goal of professorship after she attends her ex's art show.

[20:06] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I think honestly, as a black female therapist, that is so important. And again, this is like how do these writers know about this? Right. That she said to Paul, it's so important for more of me to see.

[20:20] Portia Pendleton: Me in this role.

[20:21] Dr. Katrina Furey: And it's so it is true. Yeah. I really, really like that arc. And I love the whole letter of recommendation thing. I've had mentors do that. You write it and I'll sign it and that's always so awkward. Right. So again, even them knowing that, how do they know?

[20:40] Portia Pendleton: Right? So I liked the anecdote of her patient, who is a black woman who.

[20:45] Dr. Katrina Furey: Is like, you just get me.

[20:47] Portia Pendleton: I don't mind the 90 minutes drive. And Gabby's like, what 90 minutes drive?

[20:50] Dr. Katrina Furey: She's like to see a black therapist. And that's so true. And I think that there's a couple of points in these episodes that really speak to the special bond between a therapist and patient when it's a really good match like that, and then when Grace thanks, Jimmy. And he has actually a really nice reply that always makes me tear up. Because every now and then I feel like I don't know about you, but I feel like there's not a ton of thanks or appreciation in our line of work, nor should there be. That's not like why I go to work every day to be told, like, thank you. But when it happens and it's genuine, it always knocks me off. I always feel kind of, like, taken off guard and like, oh, and I.

[21:34] Portia Pendleton: Have to work really hard to and cry not to cry. Again, sometimes you can't hold it back, but you have to be a professional. And then again, being in the role for the patient than anything you say or do. But also sometimes that can be really.

[21:52] Dr. Katrina Furey: Powerful because they can see how much. Yeah. So I thought again, at first, I thought her patient was the new girlfriend of Nico. Oh, yeah. Because they were kind of wearing a.

[22:08] Portia Pendleton: Similar outfit that was like a reddish tone, long jumpsuit.

[22:14] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, it was like two piece that matches. And she really likes the girlfriend, too. I loved her outburst at Nico's show. And I was just like, you know what, Gabby? Don't be so hard on yourself. You're allowed to have an outburst. It sounds like you've been there and born witness and cleaned up a lot of Nico stuff.

[22:30] Portia Pendleton: And she was right. She was right. She was the muse who loved it.

[22:34] Dr. Katrina Furey: And she was like, Muse on the couch. Where did therapist sit? On couches? And I got a freckle, and I was shocked.

[22:43] Portia Pendleton: So then she has lunch with him, and he's like, we were really good. And then you see her in bed, and I was like, oh, it's going to be getting back together with him. And then it was Jimmy.

[22:53] Dr. Katrina Furey: I know.

[22:53] Portia Pendleton: And I was like, wow, they did it again.

[22:55] Dr. Katrina Furey: But I thought, like, good for her to not fall back into it, because I could imagine how tempting now he's finally got it together, he's sober, and.

[23:06] Portia Pendleton: Again, he's what you knew he could be.

[23:08] Dr. Katrina Furey: I know. And again, it's like you really felt her frustration. Like, I put in all the work. Yes. And now you reap the reward. And I think that's where she had her outburst, like, no, you are not the muse. It's me. And I was like, you're allowed to say that. Yeah. And then but then when she's talking about the butt stuff leaving, I was like, well, yeah, I was like, this.

[23:30] Portia Pendleton: Has maybe crossed the line, but funny and sometimes again, therapists are human, as we've seen throughout this whole show, and make mistakes and are silly and sometimes don't know how to handle our emotions.

[23:43] Dr. Katrina Furey: I know you would think we're experts, but sometimes we're not.

[23:46] Portia Pendleton: No.

[23:48] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, I loved again, we're like jumping all over the place, but I loved at the end as Jimmy is like, trying to reconnect with Alice and be a parent and he talks to her when she's like, sitting in the dark and having that memory of her mom. That really was touching. In a tear darker moment when she starts talking about forgetting parts of her mom, I just feel like that rings so true. Like anyone who's lost, anyone they care about, I think can resonate with that. It's really beautiful. Finally, his replies are good, where he's like, you were being a normal kid, that's what you're supposed to do. And then sort of introducing a little humor, like, do you want to talk about it? Apparently I'm good at it. I'm going to use that. I'm putting that away in my memory file cabinet to use on my own children at some point. And then when she said no and he said, okay, but when you're ready, I'm here. Perfect. Yeah, that's what you say, guys, to anyone grieving, that's exactly what you say. But then when he goes to Paul and he says, I wrote this down, I have all this training and experience, but I feel so helpless. And Paul says, you should put that on your business card. I love that.

[24:57] Portia Pendleton: Way to reel them in.

[24:59] Dr. Katrina Furey: Way to just yeah, it was so funny. But yeah.

[25:02] Portia Pendleton: The healing that we see take place with the grief, I think is just like so beautiful because again, they're not healed right.

[25:11] Dr. Katrina Furey: I don't think you ever really are, but you've changed.

[25:14] Portia Pendleton: They're getting better at communicating and tolerating thinking about it. We see him kind of remove the wedding band. We see him going through the stuff. We see him talking to her. We see him visiting her grave. We see Alice kind of going there and wearing her things. We just see all these changes start to help. It's really showing that they're moving forward through it instead of avoiding it, instead of holding it in.

[25:37] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. Again, I feel so much less angry with him and I think this is why. Because he's, like, showing up, doing some of the work himself, and then by doing that, can really be there more for Alice, even if it's in a more, like not super overt in your face way, but just like there he's not like I don't know. I'm like should he have talked to her about taking off his ring? Should given her a heads up or not. But he can tolerate her reaction, which I think is important.

[26:11] Portia Pendleton: I feel like that does come up. It's such a symbol.

[26:16] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right.

[26:16] Portia Pendleton: And I think I just was thinking, kind of reflecting on the episode, grief is such a different timeline for everyone. So it's like, for him, he's like taking the ring off. Like she's not ready for him to do that. But it's just interesting to think about.

[26:34] Dr. Katrina Furey: It is. It so is. And I thought that again, I feel like maybe in real life, alice might rebel a little more, maybe not, I don't know. But I thought them writing it so that he asked her if she wanted to go to the cemetery. She said no and then later realized it was her mom's birthday and forgot. Starting to forget certain pieces about her. I feel like all of this is so true to what it can feel like to be grieving and like, what a hard thing to go through as a teenager, trying to still be a teenager, but going through this major thing. And I just thought Jimmy really validated how hard that is for her. Really? In a real nice, simple way. Yeah.

[27:16] Portia Pendleton: And he wasn't shame or guilt by missing the birthday, but he did not put it on her at all. And he just said, I did remember, and I just thought that you maybe wanted some space. I think he gave her the out. She did forget, but that's also what happens.

[27:33] Dr. Katrina Furey: Exactly.

[27:34] Portia Pendleton: Forward.

[27:34] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right. And he didn't shame her. And I think that was probably really honest of him. And those are the things that are gosh just so hard, I would imagine, to navigate. Right. These are like the split second decisions you're making when these things are coming up. Right. She probably says no, and he probably has to make a quick decision, like, do I remind her? Do I not? And that's the road he took. But I mean, just to verbalize it, I don't know. It's great. Yeah. I feel a lot better about him as a parent now.

[28:09] Portia Pendleton: What happens, because, you know, there has to be shenanigans in season two. Like, I'm just curious to see what turns it takes.

[28:15] Dr. Katrina Furey: I know. I mean, I feel like Gabby and Jimmy will be together or trying to be, or maybe they were, then they broke up or like something. I really hope Sean's food truck business takes off. I loved the scene with Liz and her husband as like her Hype man and D man. I just really like him. I really like him. Derek.

[28:41] Portia Pendleton: Yeah.

[28:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: They're so sweet together.

[28:45] Portia Pendleton: I feel like he's just, like, so kind. And yes, I'm sure he's a spouse, so he can be annoying. And we know he is per Liz, but he's just so sweet and supportive and knows when she needs him. Seems like he listens to her request when she's like, please move over a little bit. You're squishing me.

[29:05] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. And it was really nice, right. Because she was all nervous about when he retires, he's always going to be around. And now. She's like, naturally found this thing she can do to take up her time. And I wonder how Sean's parents will feel about it. I wonder if we'd ever see that or not.

[29:21] Portia Pendleton: Yeah, that's interesting. So we don't get a lot of Sean in the patient role these past couple of episodes, which I appreciated.

[29:33] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. Except one of my favorite early, like maybe episode seven or eight when he's got a job now with his dad. That's what he was going to do before he got the investment money from Liz and D man to start this catering business. He was going to do some administrative work, it sounds like, which still okay, good. You're with your dad. But again, I'm like, I wonder how his parents feel about all this. But again, gives Jimmy a check for rent, again at the office in the lunchroom. And Paul walks in and sees this happening. And the line was so funny. He's like, there's no prouder moment for a therapist than when their patient pays the rent. Yes. I was like, I wonder how long it took them to just perfect that line.

[30:20] Portia Pendleton: Because Sean is like, well, just be happy for me, separate from this whole thing, this really bad situation. So, I mean, again, it's a show. And I felt like as the consumer and not wearing my therapist hat, I liked where it's going. I want Sean to be friends with them. I like that he has all these supports, but can we just cut off the therapy? Stay with it. That still shouldn't really be happening, but refer out, stay with the friends. You got this family now.

[30:53] Dr. Katrina Furey: Great. Refer to another therapist. And then I do have to say, though, putting my therapist hat on at the end, I was really glad when as they're like dancing at the wedding and it's so great. Alice looks so beautiful in that dress. Everyone's dance, everyone's happy. And they're like cutting to his patience from the beginning, sort of like being better. And I was like, okay, but he's really not doing great. And then the very end, I was kind of glad they included that. Right. Where spoiler alert. Like, Grace is on a hike with her emotionally abusive at best husband. And earlier in a session, she had said, like, I'm starting to stand up for myself. I'm noticing how abusive he is. And he's really lucky we're not on a cliff somewhere when he's criticizing me because I push him right off. And at first you're like, oh, and Jimmy's kind of like, yeah, push him off. Bash his skull, ease brains or like something silly, you think. But then at the end, they are hiking on a cliff. He's really emotionally abusive to her and she does push him off. And I have to say again, I don't want anyone to die. But I was glad as a therapist they showed like, some of these techniques are not working. Yeah, I don't know what were your thoughts? Yeah.

[32:14] Portia Pendleton: No, I totally agree. I feel like, in a way, him telling her initially that he won't see her unless she breaks up with him has created almost this role where Jimmy is like, God, he's in charge. He tells her what to do versus offers potential solutions or encourages her. What do you think? He's now kind of giving these things, these suggestions almost, that she had to follow, and then she did. So I think that's a seed almost like a little bit planted there that now to me connects to the present because they joked about this. And then again, what are the odds?

[32:57] Dr. Katrina Furey: But they do hike.

[32:58] Portia Pendleton: They do hike. So that's the thing. He's seen them hike, right. Because they had that beautiful moment at the end of that session where she thanks him and then he says, It's my pleasure. And I was like, oh, that's exactly.

[33:10] Dr. Katrina Furey: And then I was glad they didn't just cut to all the patients, like, doing great with this out of the box therapy.

[33:18] Portia Pendleton: Because I'm just now thinking, too, like.

[33:20] Dr. Katrina Furey: What'S that going to mean in season two?

[33:22] Portia Pendleton: Yeah. Does she get arrested? Does she blame him? Does she recall this being said in therapy? What's his liability? What did he write down in that session?

[33:33] Dr. Katrina Furey: What's his risk assessment right in the moment? It doesn't sound like a legitimate threat. I would not have thought that was going to happen until they showed it happening. Even as she's, like, walking up, I really wasn't sure. Is she going to push him or just stand there? But yeah, it's like, what is his liability? Yeah.

[33:53] Portia Pendleton: So I had kind of commented while we were watching it that I guess this is some information for you. Never push someone off a cliff for two reasons, you guys know, one, because it's bad. And the other reason is because they can tell where the body lands is further out than if someone fell or even jumped. They can tell. How? I don't know how. Obviously, it's math and science and like.

[34:20] Dr. Katrina Furey: Forensic, probably you need one of those protractors do the arc and physics and math. Yes.

[34:30] Portia Pendleton: Because, for example, if someone wanted to die by jumping off a cliff, you would probably step off.

[34:38] Dr. Katrina Furey: You might land feet first or something.

[34:40] Portia Pendleton: Not that far away from the cliff. If you were maybe, like, running from something, you would see, like, footsteps pushing, propelling you off dirt in the back, and then versus being pushed, like you're landing further with none of the evidence on top.

[34:55] Dr. Katrina Furey: How do you know this?

[34:56] Portia Pendleton: I learned this in a docuseries. Like some kind of true crime true crime thing.

[35:04] Dr. Katrina Furey: Wow.

[35:04] Portia Pendleton: Yeah.

[35:05] Dr. Katrina Furey: It's not because you're looking into pushing anyone off no cliff.

[35:08] Portia Pendleton: Right. Something that crosses my mind.

[35:13] Dr. Katrina Furey: That's really interesting, though, and I wonder, like, did he survive? We don't know.

[35:18] Portia Pendleton: Cliffhanger.

[35:19] Dr. Katrina Furey: Literally.

[35:20] Portia Pendleton: Literally a cliffhanger.

[35:22] Dr. Katrina Furey: They're so witty.

[35:23] Portia Pendleton: So we see angry man talking to that barista.

[35:26] Dr. Katrina Furey: And they're laughing.

[35:29] Portia Pendleton: Wally, she goes down in the park.

[35:32] Dr. Katrina Furey: And you're like, she's going to go home and sit on her bed.

[35:34] Portia Pendleton: What did she say to that woman?

[35:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: She's like, first time.

[35:39] Portia Pendleton: I love that.

[35:41] Dr. Katrina Furey: We are totally skipping over Harrison Ford.

[35:46] Portia Pendleton: Oh, yeah.

[35:48] Dr. Katrina Furey: I think that's because at least for me, that was like the most emotional part.

[35:52] Portia Pendleton: So season seven starts with, like, the aftermath of him getting high. So he wakes up on the couch. He starts eating the doritos again.

[36:00] Dr. Katrina Furey: Sean makes everyone pancakes, has a ties.

[36:03] Portia Pendleton: In his he picks up a pancake, pours syrup in it and folds it like a taco.

[36:08] Dr. Katrina Furey: And I was like, that's clever.

[36:10] Portia Pendleton: That sounds like a great idea.

[36:12] Dr. Katrina Furey: Try that. Or like Taco Bell. Yeah, get on that. Good idea. Yeah. Taco Bell. You want sponsor us? Shout out.

[36:19] Portia Pendleton: And then his daughter comes and they go to the doctor's appointment. She's like, oh, you're vibing with her. It's really sweet. They're having a good time. And then she does this kind of grand gesture, which I think is a really big deal of inviting him to come stay with them, like live with them in their guest house. And I think what's hard is I'm not surprised his response and not like.

[36:46] Dr. Katrina Furey: Because he's obsessed with work, but more.

[36:48] Portia Pendleton: Like just like that would signal that he is done almost. He's going to retire. It means so many more things because I think of course he wants to see her. Of course he wants to be with his grandson, but that means so much more and she so hurt.

[37:06] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah, because she rightfully suffered.

[37:08] Portia Pendleton: It's another rejection. So I really do see both sides.

[37:13] Dr. Katrina Furey: Right.

[37:13] Portia Pendleton: And I understand kind of where they both land. At the end of that episode, she's really upset her. It leaves and he's like kind of spinning, doesn't know what to do.

[37:22] Dr. Katrina Furey: And you see him, like, trying to call her. She's not answering. The grandson answers. I loved when her husband's on the phone and he's like, you tell her that this is very childish. Yeah. And the husband's like, I'm not going to do that. Hangs out like, good boundary. And then again okay, so this whole time we thought Paul had like, really stringent boundaries, which I think is interesting because I read somewhere his character is based off of the real psychiatrist Stuts. Who? There's that whole Netflix documentary about with Jonah Hill. Have you seen that yet?

[37:51] Portia Pendleton: No, I saw it.

[37:52] Dr. Katrina Furey: I have thoughts, but we'll save that for another time. But it's interesting because I don't know if it's a secret, but like, in the documentary, there's a lot of boundaries. Yeah, that's what I boundaries that aren't typical of a therapist patient relationship. So I thought it was interesting that they wrote Paul to be so boundaried until he gets in a relationship with his neurologist. Yeah. But again, they're like, well, that's kind of cute, though. I don't know it doesn't feel as icky.

[38:22] Portia Pendleton: It almost seems like they have a relationship before she they know. It seems like they know each other, like, for a while and are very comfortable. It doesn't seem like that's his first neurologist.

[38:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: And then oh, maybe.

[38:37] Portia Pendleton: I don't know.

[38:38] Dr. Katrina Furey: Maybe. But then it was so sweet. When he shows up, he's being honored with an award at Las Vegas.

[38:43] Portia Pendleton: We think he's going to Las Vegas. He invites his daughter. She says no, she can't because she.

[38:48] Dr. Katrina Furey: Has her son's play. And then he shows up at the neurologist door trying to whisk her away. She says, yes, it's really cute.

[38:56] Portia Pendleton: Tell everybody that. I thought about it for a week and I was unsure. But she's like, yes, I'll get rid of it.

[39:02] Dr. Katrina Furey: I think there's also just something about seeing older folks finding love. I like that. And I like older folks, like having a really active life. Like, I really fantasize my retirement years in my mind, so it gives me hope. But then he shows up at the pool.

[39:21] Portia Pendleton: You see him walking down. You still think that he's like, right at the conference, going to find a seat to accept his award. And it wasn't until and then you see the daughter. And I was like, did they surprise him?

[39:35] Dr. Katrina Furey: That's what I thought too. He did. I was like I started bawling. I was, like, watching. I know. It was just like, he's showing up for his daughter. Jimmy's showing up for his daughter. We're all showing up for the daughters. Like, finally justice for the daughters. It was just really sweet. I don't know. And then to start wrapping up. Also, like, shout out to the fun dip reference.

[40:03] Portia Pendleton: Seems like Paul's a little, like, addicted.

[40:06] Dr. Katrina Furey: But it's so true. He's like, this is sugar, and then I can eat the stick. And you're like, well, that is innovative, isn't it?

[40:16] Portia Pendleton: It depends on the flavor. I have had fun before. I like, I think maybe like the.

[40:20] Dr. Katrina Furey: Blue raspberry or, like the cherry. Which one of them? But it's literally just sugar powder.

[40:26] Portia Pendleton: And then the stick is sugar.

[40:27] Dr. Katrina Furey: Sugar. Yeah. Who thought of it? I would love I wonder if I could Wikipedia this later. Legit. Who had this idea and pitched it to investors? Like, how'd you pitch this idea? You just go around and ask kids, like, you want sugar? They're like, yes. And it's like in solid form and granular form. I don't know. So cute. Yeah.

[40:48] Portia Pendleton: So we see Paul really come around. He's being a supportive dad. He's also showing up to Gabby. He comes to her internship in her interview and is really just great. I loved Liz kind of like directly calling him out. That seems like it kind of opened his eyes to be like, you're right. He owns that. He has a problem with women he cares about. Gabby was like, I'm one of them.

[41:14] Dr. Katrina Furey: I know when he finally compliments her and I loved he slammed that water bottle down on the desk, and you see him, like, using it more and more. It was just so cute. I don't know. It's really sweet. I loved that.

[41:26] Portia Pendleton: I loved that. And then the wedding is the last episode. We already talked about it, but Jimmy's speech is lovely. We see Brian's dad coming through and being supportive to him. I really liked the speech he gave. I liked that he incorporated all the friends and family.

[41:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: There this really sweet ending. It's like everyone's in a good spot. And then Grace pushes her abusive husband. So we'll we'll see. Yeah. What comes next? The last thing I wanted to make sure we talked about was I loved also the depiction of academia with Paul and Gabby, how Paul was like, Why do you want to be a professor? And he was like, Academia is one of the five circles of hell, or something. And he said, the five circles are babies, musical magic, kale, and academia. And I was curious what your five circles would be.

[42:18] Portia Pendleton: Oh, my gosh, that's a great question.

[42:19] Dr. Katrina Furey: Put you on the spot. Okay. What are the five circles of hell? It's hard.

[42:30] Portia Pendleton: Okay. One of them would be forced to sit and watch old, sad Disney movies.

[42:36] Dr. Katrina Furey: So, like, bambi.

[42:37] Portia Pendleton: Dumbo. Like hell.

[42:39] Dr. Katrina Furey: Okay, so I have to keep that in mind.

[42:41] Portia Pendleton: I don't like those.

[42:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: Okay.

[42:42] Portia Pendleton: They're very sad. I think moving to Antarctica, like, a really frigid place, like North Russia is hell. I don't like being cold, okay? I don't mind, like, snow.

[42:56] Dr. Katrina Furey: Wow.

[42:56] Portia Pendleton: It's a beautiful Christmas. I'm skiing, but besides that, hate it.

[43:00] Dr. Katrina Furey: I don't know why.

[43:01] Portia Pendleton: I live in the Northeast, but that's fine.

[43:04] Dr. Katrina Furey: What else? Cheese.

[43:08] Portia Pendleton: Well, I love cheese, but you know what? My GI system doesn't.

[43:12] Dr. Katrina Furey: Well, maybe that's how that tension between your heart and your stomach. Yeah. Tarn.

[43:19] Portia Pendleton: Oh, this is such a good question.

[43:21] Dr. Katrina Furey: Interacting with insurance companies, hell and all.

[43:25] Portia Pendleton: The like, anything to do with billing with insurance, hell. And then I'm trying to think of.

[43:31] Dr. Katrina Furey: Just, like, a slam dunk one, like a Zenpic.

[43:35] Portia Pendleton: Yeah, I think that's just bad.

[43:37] Dr. Katrina Furey: Maybe not hell. Maybe that's a little hard.

[43:39] Portia Pendleton: I mean, I think all those people like big Pharma.

[43:43] Dr. Katrina Furey: Big Pharma. What else?

[43:45] Portia Pendleton: Big Pharma. Sponsor us.

[43:46] Dr. Katrina Furey: Just kidding. We don't want your dirty we don't want your dirty money.

[43:51] Portia Pendleton: I can't think of another one. But here's a fun fact. If you go to our Instagram page at Analyze Scripts, we will circle back and create a video each of our five circles of Hell.

[44:02] Dr. Katrina Furey: OOH, I like that idea that way.

[44:04] Portia Pendleton: Check us out and comment yours.

[44:07] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. Does it include kale? I didn't think babies and musicals needed to be on it. Like, I like babies, I like musicals. Kale's. Okay, sometimes.

[44:16] Portia Pendleton: But for Paul, it was funny.

[44:19] Dr. Katrina Furey: And then he went to his grandson's.

[44:21] Portia Pendleton: Musical of the elephant or mouse or whatever.

[44:25] Dr. Katrina Furey: Yeah. All right, Portia, any final thoughts? No, just the end of thinking.

[44:30] Portia Pendleton: I love the show. I feel like I didn't I really got Apple Plus to watch it, and then I was like, oh, I'm probably going to cancel it now. I love this show.

[44:39] Dr. Katrina Furey: I'm so excited for season two.

[44:40] Portia Pendleton: I'm also like discovering little other cool.

[44:42] Dr. Katrina Furey: Shows, like Ted Lasso is a big hit. I know. I never watched it.

[44:45] Portia Pendleton: Ted Blaster. And then I'm watching Eugene Levy.

[44:48] Dr. Katrina Furey: He's like the traveling or something, right?

[44:50] Portia Pendleton: But he's the what traveler. He doesn't really want to. Oh, it's so good. I watched a couple of those episodes. He's good.

[44:58] Dr. Katrina Furey: So shout out Apple Plus. Shout out if you want to sponsor us. We've had 500 downloads. So anyway. All right, guys. Well, thank you for listening once again, please don't forget to rate, review and subscribe. Follow us at Analyze scripts on Instagram. Send us a DM, send us an email. Analyze [email protected]. We have not yet gotten a listener email, so will you be the first? We'll let you know next time. Okay, bye.

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