In this episode of In Conversation with Tourists, Oana sits down with Jake—a traveler who’d happily swap a must‑see monument for a quiet chat over a neighborhood café table. Jake explains why the real itinerary begins where the guidebook ends: on unbeaten paths, in spur‑of‑the‑moment detours, and in the stories locals share when you bother to listen.

Their conversation ranges from Edinburgh’s close to American city grids, pausing where prayer calls mingle with military drills to prove a place can hold seeming opposites without losing its charm. 

Expect insights on forging your own destinations, finding the lesson you need in the moment you need it, and discovering how urban spaces—old or new—offer fresh perspectives when you approach them with open eyes. If you’re ready to trade “seen it, snapped it” for genuine human connection, press play and follow Jack’s lead down the side street.