In this interview, Hilary and Simon discussed the upcoming special issue of the Action Research Journal on mindset transformations, which Simon guest edited. They explored the themes of awareness, change, and transformation, drawing on personal experiences and examples from the papers in the issue. Simon shared his background and motivations for curating the special issue, emphasizing the importance of acknowledging inner experiences and their connection to societal change. They discussed the challenges of publishing papers that touch on spiritual or non-traditional themes in academic journals. The conversation highlighted the shift towards recognizing the role of personal transformation in driving broader social and environmental change, with examples from various contributors to the special issue.