In this episode, Simon share's how a threat to public health laid the foundations for the rise of a biosecurity state in the UK.   If you are looking for a positive, uplifting conversation, unfortunately, this is not for you. However, if you want to get to grips with the hard-hitting realities of what we are facing then you won't want to miss this vital conversation!  

Simon stayed on the line with us for an hour after the discussion to answer our supporters' questions. If you'd like to hear the full podcast + bonus recordings then I invite you to join the Elevate Community at https://www.weareelevate.org