Sue and Tim tackle their first interview since 2019, and catch up with their friends director April Mullen, and producer Tim Doiron to chat about their new film Simulant, the heavy sci-fi and humanist themes that are woven into it, as well as the creative forces behind their new film. From a discussion of AI and manufactured intelligence to the placement of hot dog mugs, the episode runs the gambit as these creative forces, known collectively as Wango Films continue to blaze their trail.