Over four nights in 2004 Paul Kelly performed a hundred of his songs in alphabetical order.

On stage he told the stories behind the songs - of his family and friends, his years on the road, and recording his many albums.

Paul put these stories together in his book - a memoir and songwriting masterclass melded together and named for one of his most beautiful and popular songs: How to Make Gravy, published by Penguin.

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Broadcast date: Tuesday 12 October 2010