"There's all sorts of numbers you'll encounter when you put yourself out there, like your age, your weight, your audience size, how much you're selling, how many clicks you're getting. I call them 'the numbers', and they're all toxic."

Dar Williams, whom The New Yorker describes as 'one of America’s very best singer-songwriters', shares her thoughtful views on the changing landscape of the music industry, recounts her personal musical journey, and offers advice for folks considering a similar career in this insightful and engaging interview.