In this episode of the Witnessing Christ Podcast, Pastor Mark Parsons is joined by Molly, Caleb, Aaron, Noah, and Ethan to discuss Sinner Saint: A Surprising Primer for the Christian Life by Pastor Luke Kjolhaug (or as the interns say—however you pronounce it!). Together, they unpack one of the most honest and freeing truths of the Christian faith: that believers are simultaneously sinners and saints (simul justus et peccator).

Through personal stories, Scripture, and laughter, the group explores:

• Why recognizing our sin and our sainthood at the same time is crucial for understanding grace.
• How Paul’s struggle in Romans 7 captures every Christian’s daily reality.
• Why “progress” in faith isn’t about becoming sinless, but about trusting Christ more deeply.
• The difference between how Latter-day Saints and biblical Christians understand the word saint—and why that difference matters.
• What the lives of Moses, Abraham, David, and Paul teach us about God using deeply flawed people for His glory.
• How a proper view of Law and Gospel helps us rest in what Christ has done, not what we’re trying to prove.

This episode reminds us that being a Christian isn’t about looking perfect—it’s about being honest about our brokenness and clinging to the One who calls us righteous.

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