This was one of the most epic conversations both Eve and I have had. We could have talked to John for hours, we both came away with hundreds more questions we wanted to ask and a even more respect for John and his legacy. Finn got a chance to debate with John on tax and inequality and Eve was able to pull to the surface the polices John wished he had been able to get across. This was one of the interviews where we wished we had he camera rolling before and after as John was super open with us about his views on current politicians around the world. It was great to hear about John’s respect for Jacinda. John really encapsulated a lot of what we are trying to do with the podcast around being great mates with the other side of the political spectrum, e.g. playing plenty of golf with Bill Clinton and Barack Obama and being good friends with both of them but being open about the fact he wouldn’t vote for them. Tune in for this conversation with one of New Zealand's greatest leaders!