Our friend Mary Wiley joins us this week for a chat about publishing, writing theology books for kids, why we need more books like Gentle and Lowly, and the time a group of people lost their minds when Dave told them about a little book she wrote.

A few of the books mentioned on today's episode

Gentle and Lowly by Dane Ortlund

The Gospel Story and Everyday Theology by Mary Wiley

The Last Kind Words Saloon by Larry McMurtry