In this episode, Craig welcomes Jessica Mariglio, a licensed marriage and family therapist and founder of Mindful Trauma Therapy, who shares her insights on the intersection of Zen, mindfulness, and trauma therapy.

Here’s a glimpse into the profound insights you can expect:

• The Thief in the Empty Room: Jessica and Craig explore the meaning of the podcast's namesake koan, relating it to themes of surprise, allowing, and the importance of being present in therapeutic practice.  

• From Zen to Therapy: A Mindful Journey: Jessica discusses her personal journey from exploring Zen and Eastern philosophies to becoming a trauma therapist, highlighting the influence of her early experiences and spiritual explorations.  

• The Power of Presence: The conversation delves into the parallels between meditation and therapy, emphasizing the importance of non-judgmental witnessing, compassion, and creating a safe space for healing.