A 3M National Teaching Fellow chats with us about the 4M framework for understanding SoTL research...how fun is that?  Even more fun when it is Nicola Simmons from Brock University doing the chatting!  She discusses some of her work and how it fits into the mega, macro, meso, and micro framework. Then she adds a bit of a critique. And with everything from Wikipedia to collaborating with her daughter, Kit, this is an episode worth archiving.