Roger Stone, a lobbyist, consultant, and early political advisor to Trump, is the subject of the new Netflix documentary: Get Me Roger Stone. In this bonus episode, Charlie talks with the movie’s directors about choosing Stone as a subject at a low point in his political career, following his comeback during the 2016 election and the rise of the alt-right, and about whether or not he’s actually an agent of change — or just the guy who’s always in the room when it happens.

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