Cody and Sebastion share their journey from schooling to careers in framing and construction instead of college. They discuss starting in the trades as teenagers, launching a construction company, Atlas, choosing to stay rooted in their local community, converting to Catholicism, and building a culture of craftsmanship. The conversation explores work-life integration, mentorship, competency over artificial self-esteem, and the future of skilled trades.

Chapters

00:00 - Introduction & Background

03:34 - Cody's Journey into Construction

08:01 - The College Question

14:30 - Starting Atlas Framing Company

19:49 - Sebastian's Path

26:03 - From General Contractor to Specialist

33:37 - Faith & Conversion

45:58 - Community & Rootedness

49:23 - Catholic Trade Schools & Durable Trades

56:13 - The Future of Construction

1:07:45 - Competency Over Self-Esteem

1:11:25 - Work Culture & Faith on the Job Site

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Resources 

• Letters to a Young Catholic by George Weigel
• Durable Trades by Rory Groves 
• Shop Class as Soulcraft by Matthew Crawford
• Fraternus

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