What does the future of health look like? How do you write poetry about a disabled body, about your disabled body? Andy Jackson's book Human Looking is an exquisite collection of poems exploring personal and historical accounts of the body. The institutionalising of difference, the fellowship we find after a swim when we stand dripping and exposed, the rage born of injustice when treated badly because we don't fit a non-existent mould.

Joining me via Zoom in Castlemaine, Andy and I speak about the fellowship he was recently awarded to gather stories from the disabled community about the future of health, his book, his creative practice and what he's been getting into lately on the page.