Cyriel Kortleven is a keynote speaker and long-time trainer in creativity, innovation, and—more recently—change mindset. In this conversation , Cyriel explains why people resist change (fear, control, cognitive overload), how modern media amplifies that resistance, and what leaders can do instead: notice “idea killers” like yes, but…, deliberately widen perspective, and run small, safe experiments that build momentum. The episode connects change to creativity and innovation, and argues that action—not perfect plans—is the real gateway to progress.Find Cyriel online:https://www.cyrielkortleven.com/More on David Chislett:https://davidchislett.com