President Trumps 145% tariff on China does not apply to smartphones... The White House making the announcement over the weekend of the smartphone carve out and it has Dave "wringing" his hands... Dave and Debbie discuss the pros and cons of issuing carve outs to certain items with tariffs. President and CEO of The Salt Lake Chamber, Derek Miller joins the show to discuss how tariffs will impact small businesses in Utah. Brian Entin with NewsNation brings the latest on the tariffs.