Just a couple of surfers having a conversation. We are all about the surfing lifestyle. When is something micro vs macro? Is there no end to the size and complexity of phenomenon in the universe? What is our vantage point? How much do your shins hurt when you learn to ollie on a skateboard? All this and more on this episode!

S.O. is a podcast that aims to have consistent long-form conversations. As hosts, we strive to improve our ability to remain mindful, practice focus and proper listening, improve verbal fluency, explore ideas without attachment, and expand our perspectives of reality.