In this deeply emotional episode, hosts Jen and Betina explore the concept of emotional sobriety and share their personal journeys with unprecedented vulnerability.

Betina shares her powerful life story, including cycles of desperation and risk-taking behavior. The conversation explores how they find common ground in how feeling unloved during childhood led both women to develop unhealthy patterns of seeking love outside their homes.

This raw, unfiltered conversation offers listeners a powerful glimpse into the hosts' journeys toward emotional healing and clarity, providing hope that past trauma can be transformed into future purpose.

01:34 Emotional Sobriety defined

05:49 Jen’s Temp check and Personal growth markers

12:10 Betina’s Temp check and personal growth markers

17:40 Jen asks, “What is motivating you?” (insert tissue box here)

23:09 Betina wants to become a voice of possibility through mastery

28:20 Betina’s story

41:29 Book excerpt

45:15 “Before I tell you about my childhood, let me tell you about my mother’s”

49:10 Learning to show affection from daytime television

53:30 Jen is looking for a substitute love

57:10 Jen’s dream of a parent/child relationship

1:00:00 Betina’s goal to be a light for others

1:02:00 Jen asks to hear more about Betina’s past (getting convicted)

1:15:30 Betina’s career becomes a light in a dark place

1:24:00 Jen bringing it all full circle

1:30:45 Life focus question Jen

1:32:56 Life focus question Betina

1:34:45 Non-alcoholic Celebration drinks

Jen - Shirley Temple

Betina - Jungle Juice

Music Credits:

00 “For My Good” - AFTR

17:21, 30:37, 38:02, 52:49, 1:01:30, 1:15:18 “Cope” - Gloria Tells

22:08 “We Got Chemistry” - spring gang

30:37, 38:02, 52:49, 1:01:30, 1:15:18 - “Cope” - Gloria Tells

1:23:39, 1:39:43 “Set for Life” - AFTR

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