In this relaxed, entertaining chat I'm joined by my old friend, social media expert Sarah Dobbs. We discuss the current cost of AI on the digital creative industry, whether there's any reasonable way to make serious money as an independent creator at the moment, the impact of digital media in general, the future of magazines, and the real value of humans.

Head to sarahdobbs.com to see some of the fantastic projects Sarah has been involved with over the years.

I'm Leila Johnston. I live in Scotland and I write about business and finance for a living. The music on this podcast is called 'Just a Waltz' and is by Alena Smirnova.