This time I'm having a call to Berlin with a girl from New Zealand who I met with in summer on Dragon Dreaming course. It's been a talk- and mindgasm between us every time we get a chance to chat..

This episode covers pretty much everything... but focuses on education and social permaculture. We talk about perception, communication, chaos and order, play and games as a powerful tool and a safe space for development and metaphor as a rich, deep and creative way of expression.

Naomi Joy Smith:

Nextstepnaomi.com

Beyondus.network

Perma.earth

Tinyurl.com/GRDNlibrary