In Episode 17 of Changing the Narrative, Murray Elbourne and Elizabeth Rouse tackle one of the most layered and personal topics in the blind and low vision community: how you actually move through the world, and how you connect with the people in it. From orientation and mobility training to the social skills that don't come with a manual, this episode pulls apart the difference between simply learning to use a cane and truly understanding your environment through every sense you've got. Murray brings his years on the goalball court and coaching sideline into the mix, while Elizabeth draws on her experience at the NFB training center, and the two quickly discover just how differently they were taught to navigate the same world.

But this isn't just about crossing streets and counting curbs. Murray and Elizabeth dig into what happens when the art of conversation starts to disappear in a screen-obsessed world, and why that loss hits the blind and low-vision community especially hard. They challenge listeners to think about how they want to be seen, heard, and remembered, all while swapping stories about shoulder injections gone sideways, life bingo cards nobody asked for, and why being 5'8" in the eighth grade apparently makes you goalball royalty. Whether you're rethinking your own mobility approach or just curious about what real independence looks like when no two journeys are the same, this one will have you nodding, laughing, and maybe reconsidering your elevator speech.