Conversation between Joe Rogan and Peter Thiel. Key discussion points include Thiel's reluctance to leave California despite its problems, an analysis of the US budget deficit and potential solutions, Thiel's perspective on the effectiveness of California's governance, a discussion of the implications of passing the Turing test with AI, and speculation on the motivations and technological capabilities of ancient civilizations, alongside thoughts on the nature of human evolution, the role of psychedelics, and the complexities of US intelligence operations, particularly regarding the Jeffrey Epstein case and the assassination of JFK. The conversation touches upon various controversial topics and offers unique perspectives on societal and technological trends. Finally, the discussion concludes with reflections on the potential for human extinction due to technological advancements and declining birth rates.