Last fall, Pedram Shojai, Ken Cook, and Abel James all visited Sara Gottfried at her home and we recorded a long conversation that lasted nearly two hours. Here is the final part of that conversation. Abel, Ken, Sara, and Pedram examine conventional meat and how to keep it from ruining our personal biology and how it can also affect the environment as a whole. They review other sources of protein besides meats. Abel compares conventional grocery store eggs to organic eggs from a farmer's market. Ken questions why it's so difficult to get fruits and vegetables into school lunch programs.