A Capgemini engineer on software craftsmanship, mentoring, sharing culture and women in tech.

Sarah Saunders shares her journey from an all-girls school and computer science degree through investment banking into consultancy at Capgemini, where varied client projects gave her a holistic view of technology. She discusses how she got into public speaking, the value of practitioner-led training over quickly-outdated certifications, and Capgemini's internal software craftsmanship course built on pair programming, TDD and the courage to fail safely. A key theme is that a developer's value lies not in writing code but in knowing how to build a product from it, sparked by consultants amazed that techies openly share via open source. She closes with reflections on mentoring, remote-work engagement, gamification, and encouraging women in tech to be confident and ask questions.

**In this episode:**

**Guest:** Sarah Saunders — Software Engineer / Technologist, Capgemini  

> “It isn't the code that we write that has the value. The skills that give us value is knowing how to create a product from that code.”

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