After 25 years as a senior leader in tech, Karen Catlin saw a decline in the numbers of women in tech. Frustrated but galvanized, Karen became an author and coach focusing on helping women navigate the male-dominated tech industry and coaching men to be better allies. In this episode, we discuss hiring for a “culture add” and other tips to create a more inclusive workplace.

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Better Allies: Everyday Actions to Create More Inclusive, Engaging Workplaces by Karen Catlin

Better Allies Approach to Hiring by Karen Catlin

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Today’s guest is Karen Catlin - this is part 2 of a 2-part conversation

1:09 Do women need to explain bias in different ways so male allies better understand

2:17 What should male allies do if a woman discusses her experience with gender bias

3:40 How to move from being a bystander to an upstander 

4:13, 7:37 Does the U.S. being so litigious hamper conversations about gender bias

5:50 Story of a male boss who says “my wife will be jealous if I interact with female colleagues," how this view helps men get ahead of women, and strategies to counter

9:25 Job description best practices

10:10 Rethink whether a college degree is necessary for all jobs

10:45 Check job descriptions for masculine word choices like rockstar, driven, aggressive, and “right-hand man” because some women won’t apply 

12:40 Use diverse hiring panels so applicants see themselves on the hiring team

13:51 It’s not challenging to find women applicants if you look in the right places and have the right hiring practices

14:50 The difference between a “culture fit” and a “culture add” - we need more “culture adds” and less “culture fits” in organizations today

19:18 Per Dr. Talitha Washington at Spelman College, HBCUs are excellent places to find Black women for STEM and other roles 

17:40 Women receive less actionable feedback than men

18:45 The danger of “benevolent sexism” and “gatekeeping”

19:45 Story about male employee saying that a woman wouldn’t want a role because of her young children

21:48 Strategies when people are resistant to change - focus on what you can do and don’t worry about everyone else

22:35 How to be a “ripple” within your organization

23:25 How to incent people to be better allies through compensation and bonuses

24:21 “Stop trying to change women” is an element of the Parity Prescription

25:20 Strategies to adapt the workplace to be more inclusive of all instead of pressuring women and other people who are underrepresented to change

30:15 Confirmation hearing of Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson

30:45 Harmful effect of extra credential questioning to try to cast doubt on qualifications

32:38 Women and other people who are underrepresented face “prove it again” bias

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