Recorded as the country approached its 250th birthday, this episode brings together the two people most responsible for building Braver Angels Music — the songwriting community inside Braver Angels dedicated to using music as a bridge across the political divide.

John Carroll is a Nashville-based singer-songwriter and Co-Director of Braver Angels Music. He spent years playing small bars across Tennessee before Braver Angels became the place where his belief in music-as-connection found an organizational home.

Ben Caron is a Los Angeles-based singer-songwriter and Co-Director of Braver Angels Music. Raised in a small farming town in Iowa, he moved to LA to pursue acting before turning fully to music — and later ran his own multi-summer project busing coastal friends into rural communities for service projects and conversation, the work that eventually connected him to Braver Angels.

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