Daniel Lelchuk is assistant principal cellist of the Louisiana Philharmonic Orchestra. On his podcast Talking Beats, Lelchuk interviews world-class figures from a diverse field of disciplines. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/talking-beats-with-daniel-lelchuk/id1515136246 Our conversation today came about because of Daniel's viral article in Quillette. https://quillette.com/2020/09/19/then-they-came-for-beethoven/?fbclid=IwAR3r6hzQP8cxZNxRMJvwX8U0xect7oCobhzPj5iv2ssYyJRMhqqn8QLu4f4 His article, in turn, responded to the recent controversial Vox article, 'How Beethoven's 5th Symphony put the classism in classical music.' https://www.vox.com/switched-on-pop/21437085/beethoven-5th-symphony-elitist-classism-switched-on-pop In our conversation we covered the main points of both articles, some historical context, and our feelings about Beethoven in the time of clickbait. Daniel received moving responses to his article from all over the world, several of which he shares in our interview. We agreed that the classical music industry faces many challenges, including the expansion of the repertoire to include more diverse composers and performers. However Beethoven's 5th Symphony, far from an elitist status symbol, is one of the most popular and adored pieces in the orchestral literature. It does more than most music to bring audiences together from varied backgrounds. It was a pleasure interviewing Daniel and I encourage you to follow the links above to find his podcast.